Comment by johnfernow

Comment by johnfernow

Gas car ≠ EV charged by fossil fuels.

As of 2018, 94% of the US population lived in an area where charging an EV would emit less than a >50mpg car. In terms of electricity grid regions, an EV has lower emissions than a 50 mpg gasoline vehicle in 85% of them. [1] Yes, most of the US is still powered by fossil fuels, but ICE tailpipe emissions are very different than power plant emissions.

As for why switching to EVs is preferred to sticking with gas cars, aside from climate change, tailpipe emissions from ICE vehicles cause ∼200,000 early deaths to occur in the U.S. each year [2] (old data, but average MPG of vehicles in the US has barely changed, though particulate matter is better filtered, though there are more vehicles and annual vehicle miles traveled in the US has increased. Hard to pin an exact number without newer research, but without any doubt many thousands are dying from the pollution.)

As far as climate change goes, over a quarter comes from transportation in the US [3]. EVs alone won't take that to single numbers, but halving transportation emissions would still be significant progress.

As far as

> The light is weak for many months of the year, and wind power is apparently way too expensive if they remove the subsidies (weird!)

Globally, fossil fuel subsidies were $7 trillion or 7.1 percent of global GDP in 2022 [4]. 70% of energy subsidies go towards fossil fuels (admittedly not the case in the US though.) [5] But subsidies aside, solar and wind is very price competitive with gas (and often far cheaper than coal) [6].

There's also $24.662 trillion in externalities for energy and transport (equivalent to 28.7% of global GDP) [7]. So sticking with ICE cars and fossil fuels is unlikely to be a smart decision from a financial perspective.

1. https://www.ucsusa.org/sites/default/files/2020-05/evs-clean...

2. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S13522...

3. https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/fast-facts-transportation-...

4. https://www.imf.org/en/Topics/climate-change/energy-subsidie...

5. https://climate.mit.edu/ask-mit/how-much-do-government-subsi...

6. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost_of_electricity_by_source

7. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S221462962...

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